No confidence vote against the PM soon.

  Govan1x 10:05 10 Jan 2019

It was revealed on the news this morning that from a labour spokesman that there would be a no confidence vote against the Prime Minister soon.

It seems all other political party's have agreed to this so just a matter of waiting to see how the prime minister deals with the brexit question and whether she keeps to her deal only.

It does not look like her deal is going to survive and if so she has 3 days on which to ammend her deal.

A way out of it maybe be to stand down and let another Tory party Mp be PM.

Obviously a new general election maybe called for but maybe a case of out of the frying pan and into the Fire comes to mind.

Just when we thought things could not get any worse it looks like it will.

Myself i think the EU is trying there best to keep us in the EU and it is a warning to other countries not to try it.

So the only way out of being bullied into accepting something that none of us want would of course be a no deal. Any other deal and there is only one winner and it is not us.

Looks like this saga is going to continue for years to come and with the country split down the middle it is not going to be easy to resolve.

No party that takes us out of the EU or keeps us in will never be popular for a long time.

No matter what Party it is there will be no winners in the long run.

  Quickbeam 12:21 10 Jan 2019

Don't blame the EU for what's just another fine mess of our own making!

We've got ourselves into this position, on one else.

  BT 12:43 10 Jan 2019

So the only way out of being bullied into accepting something that none of us want would of course be a no deal. Any other deal and there is only one winner and it is not us.

I heard on TV yesterday that the default EU position is 'No Deal' so the deal that we have is one that they have basically foisted upon us and they have no intention of agreeing to anything else regardless of who is our PM. As far as the EU is concerned its 'Take it or Leave it'.

Did anyone see Richard Borgon (Shadow Justice minister) on TV this morning being interviewed about the planned No Confidence vote. Talk about beating round the bush, he didn't/couldn't/wouldn't give one straight answer to any of the questions put to him.

  Govan1x 12:51 10 Jan 2019

Quickbeam

We have got ourselves into this Position. And I thought maybe it was the PM who has got us into this position.

Unpopular as they are at the moment if they hold another general election they might even come out with a majority which would mean that they can go ahead with the PM's deal.

I don't think that would happen but you never know till you try. Nobody could be that confident in voting for labour so maybe a chance of a coalition with other party's.

I wonder what sort of deal she will have to make to get all other party's on her side.

I am not a Tory voter and think there tactics in the house of commons has been contemptible. And if i was a Tory supporter i think that i would be worried about the methods that they have used.

I still think the Tory Party maybe the best party to get us out of this mess but would think that they would have to have a new PM as the PM's days are numbered.

Mind you I have been saying that for the last two years.

So I suppose the big question is will she go ahead next week with her deal only on the table.

  Govan1x 13:07 10 Jan 2019

BT

That may have been the one that I commented on. He did say that he had the backing of all other party's and of course he cannot comment on the date it will happen as that would be up to what the PM,s comments would be regarding the withdrawal agreement or amendments. She may well come out with something that would keep all party's happy. (doubtful}but you never know.

Anything that is unacceptable would probably not go down well and a vote of no confidence would be made.

So you can put a date on it till it happens. Today.Tomorrow or the next day was what was asked and of course it was a question that could not be answered. But shortly was good enough for me.My best idea of the actual date will be either Tuesday next week or on the friday. it was not hard to work out.

That will only happen if the PM does not come up with anything different.

She can huff and she can puff but she cant blow the house down. Not the house of commons anyway.

  Cymro. 13:45 10 Jan 2019

Govanix So the only way out of being bullied into accepting something that none of us want

What do you mean "none of us want"? I don't want to come out of the E.U. but it looks like I will have to. Who are these "none" you talk about? I suppose you are referring to those who were duped by pre referendum misinformation.

  Forum Editor 13:57 10 Jan 2019

Jeremy Corbyn is on record as saying that Labour would "table a motion of no confidence in the government at the moment we judge it to have the best chance of success".

If that happens, and Theresa May loses the vote, she has 14 days in which to win another vote. If she fails, a General Election would be called. if she wins, the government carries on.

If she loses the first vote, but is able to resign in favour of another Conservative Prime Minister (One who can form a government) the Conservatives carry on.

The problem with having a General election is that whoever wins will face exactly the same Brexit situation - nothing will change. A new government could recind the Article 50 process, and we would continue as a full EU member State on exactly the same terms as before. It would require new legislation to do that because our exit is currently enshrined in UK law, and there would probably be a serious backlash from the electorate.

I doubt that Jeremy Corbyn cares too much about the aftermath - it seems that he simply wants to get into power at any price. Perhaps we all come second in his list of priorities. Jeremy has said (today) that a new labour government 'would negotiate with the EU' over our exit. In one little sentence he glosses over the fact that the EU position has been stated quite clearly - it is not going to negotiate anything beyond the deal that has already been thrashed out with the current government.

Jeremy knows that, but he's not worried - his thinking seems to be 'I'll worry about all that once I'm in number 10'. The thought that the electorate could usher this man into power based on a vague assumption that he would somehow sort the Brexit situation out makes my blood run cold.

  Deeply Blue 14:05 10 Jan 2019

BT says,

So the only way out of being bullied into accepting something that none of us want would of course be a no deal. Any other deal and there is only one winner and it is not us.

I heard on TV yesterday that the default EU position is 'No Deal' so the deal that we have is one that they have basically foisted upon us and they have no intention of agreeing to anything else regardless of who is our PM. As far as the EU is concerned its 'Take it or Leave it'.

I think you misunderstand the position. We told the EU we were leaving. The government passed a bill through Parliament saying that we were leaving on March 29th 2019. Not "leaving if we have a good deal," and not "leaving if we have any sort of deal," just "leaving". That means that because of our own government's decision we have to go on that date - with or without a deal. We gave that date to the EU and made it a hard deadline.

That means that if we do not have a deal, then we are leaving without a deal on that date anyway. WE made "No deal" the default option. Then we frittered away most of the two years negotiating time and are now panicking because we have no deal.

Eventually we got a deal negotiated which both the current British cabinet and the EU governments are prepared to agree to. This has been very tricky, because the UK government really wanted to have a new arrangement whereby we would have all the bits of EU membership we liked - such as the free movement of goods - and none that we didn't like - like the free movement of people. The EU rules say that it has to be both or neither.

In the UK Parliament, which has to pass any deal, there is no majority for any deal. There is a majority against "no deal", but (see above) we have to have a positive alternative in the Withdrawal Agreement- and one which will pass in the UK and in the EU. So even if, somehow, the UK Parliament could agree (which would take a minor miracle) on something, the EU says that, after 2 years, it is done negotiating and won't change the agreement which our Prime Minister and her team agreed to.

So, at the moment we are still headed for a cliff edge on March 29th. There are those who say that our Brexit bus is stashed with gold and that the cliff edge is the way to freedom. They would do well to contemplate the ending of "The Italian Job."

  Quickbeam 14:23 10 Jan 2019

Well put Deeply Blue.

We have put ourselves where we are, no one else.

  rickf 15:54 10 Jan 2019

"Myself i think the EU is trying there best to keep us in the EU and it is a warning to other countries not to try it"

Seems to me that the EU is simply sticking to it's rules and looking after it's interest. No one is bullying us. We had totally shot ourselves in the foot.

  rickf 15:55 10 Jan 2019

Btw, tonight's QT could be interesting with the new chair in Fiona Bruce.

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